Saturday, November 17, 2007

We are not very different from Rwanda

Let's replace the Belgians with the British .
The tutsi's with the Notherns and the Hutus with the Southerns (and we can include other non-Northerns as well)

It's similar in a very complicated way. I will try to write about it n post it.


Anonymous said...

Historical Elites(Tutsi)

Tutsi's maintained their title as elites under the Belgians.


Hutu's were given over power.


Belgians created divisions.

Artificial Elites(North Sudanese)

North Sudanese were made an elite to rule over the rest of Sudan by the British.


North Sudanese were handed power.


British exploited existing hatred.

Not so similar when you think about it. Almost opposite.

Kizzie said...

weren't the northern historical elites in the sense that they paritipated in a horrible slave trade btw east africa- middle east? They gave themselves the power to rule and enslave. The Turkish and the British highlighted a division of power that was already there and misused it in the sense that they disadvantaged non-norhtern and reduced the social status of others (so, a couple of generations were trapped in low-paid jobs).
The British did create divisons too because of the way they ruled. The fact that they created favored certain ethnic groups created the divisions.

the tutsi's coexisted with the hutus before the belgian rule. They weren't elites.

mabye my post will explain even more

Dalu said...

I see where you are coming from with this, kizzie. I see the relation.

Anonymous said...

That's not exactly true Kizzie, North Sudanese weren't historical elites because that title belonged to the Funj before them. The Turkish regime armed Northern tribes to bring south sudanese slaves to them, this is why they cant be called historical elites. Before the turks Northern tribes were serfs to the funj there is no way they could be considered historical elites.

Torrance Stephens bka All-Mi-T said...

Point well made. nice blog chk me out sometimes

Daana said...

ya kizzie...mafi 7aja ismaha they favored a group over the others...sorry to disappoint you the birts didn't care about or favor a particular group over others. They were aiming to create deep grudges between all sudanese people no matter what because it is easier to conquer when you divide and it is easier to ensure your power over everybody else when "the others hate each other". Northerners in Sudan had power not because it was handed to them by the british, but because in most cases they were the ones who had money, were more educated, had resources when the rest of the populations were pretty primitive in the economic sense.I don't know about spreading and participating in slavery between east africa and the middle east because that was in existence waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before arabs started settling in North Africa (you know about antar ibn shadad and bilal al 7abashi) in fact many times kings and leaders of communities would sell their own people to other groups, and although it is not morally right; it was a socially accepted practice all over the world at that time. The sudan issue is not just simply the bad "arabs" vs. "the rest of the marginalized population" because in essence these issues were politics that started immediately after the formation of the "republic of Sudan" before that there was no proper governing becaue each group or tribe had it's own leader...
Also the country did not really have much of a chance to progress into a real-developed country because military coups started happening very early in Sudan's recent history. How do we expect a country constantly undergoing change by force to even have leaders that could even remotely think of creating a somewhat utopian society. When it comes to the issue of marginalization and the evil and good, things are not always that easily distinguished especially in political issues. Tell me who hasn't suffered in Sudan...a country experiencing unrest since 1953. when do we think this change that we all want should have happened, when people decided to fight since day 1. I think our expectations are very unrealisitc as sudanese, sometimes I am distraught by the fact that everything that happens in Sudan has to happen by force. I don't expect such a country to prosper unless its people (especially those who are in power anywhere in the country not just the government) change their ways of limited one way thinking.

fake consultant said...

i recently posted a story about the rwandan coffee trade; and i would appreciate it if you might have a peek and give me some idea of whether i'm "on the mark" or missing important facts that would require me to come to new conclusions.

Lord James-River said...

What would that do, Kizzie?